About

The adventures of a Father and Son in High Altitude Balloon Image Exploration (Near Space Photography), using commercially available technology for both the flight system and payload.

Crew

Joshua – Flight Chief

Tyler – Flight Launch and Recovery Team

Ken – Sponsor, Technical Adviser

JHAB 1 Team - Josh and Tyler

JHAB 1 Team - Josh and Tyler

19 thoughts on “About

  1. Joe says:

    I got to ask, are you guys doing any kind of coordination with the FAA for these flights? Pretty cool…

  2. Joe says:

    Gotcha, Thanks! Good work.

  3. Bill Rosner says:

    Hi Guys.

    First off let me say well done. It’s a very cool thing you’ve done and inspiring in many ways. So much so that I’m asking my team here at The Capital Group (Irvine) to give duplicating this feat a shot as a team building exercise and would like some advice from you as we begin to embark on the effort. These are not engineers, they’re software developers and analysts who like to be challenged. Anything you can do to help us on the journey would be great. Please email me at bilr@capgroup.com with whatever advice you feel would be helpful. Thanks again.

    Bill Rosner

    • jhabproject says:

      Bill,
      We’d be happy to assist in any way we can, sounds like a great idea.
      First set your “mission” goals – we chose imagery, using low cost commercially available equipment as a primary goal, (along with launch and recovery of course), other have chosen to test out more advanced avionics, HAM radio payloads etc. For now,

      Take a look at the Parts List link I recently added https://jhabproject.wordpress.com/parts-list/ – it provides everything we used for our launches. Also we took a lot of our inspiration from Mike Deep, and David Gonzales’ SOAR project. David did a very detailed write up on one of their launches which helped us. http://www.mikedeep.com/Project-Soar/Sunrise-Soar-II-Writeup/14005549_4jWYh

      All of the parts can be found, around the house, Home Depot, and on the internet. I used Amazon a lot.

      Testing the Camera’s was one of our biggest challenges and took the majority of the time. Canon has a hack kit (CHDK) which allows you to load firmware from an SD card, and run either UBasic or Lua scripts. We also use the GoPro Hero for capturing HD video. It’s a great camera!. Check the parts list, I added a copy of the lua script we used. Since you said you have some developers, we could use some help with the script – we can’t figure out how to program some of the settings, so when you get to this point, email me again, and I’ll send you what I’m trying to do – maybe you’re guys can figure it out for us?

      Test everything a few times. So far we tested a lot and both flights we still had some minor problems. So we had redundant items, two gps’, two cameras, etc.

      Run flight predictions – our favorite site for this is http://habhub.org/predict/ – we ran predictions right up to the hour before our launch.

      Helium vs Hydrogen – you’ll hear two schools of thoughts out there – Helium is easier to work with, but is not a renewable energy source, Hydrogen will give you more altitude, is of course renewable, but extremely flammable. We went with Helium.

      Finally – set a goal – our was to reach 100K, and capture the entire flight. So far however we’ve only been able to reach the first goal, and only partially our second. Both flights, the canon’s worked great, but the GoPro captured the ascent but not the descent due to battery life. We’re still working on this.

      Have fun, please don’t hesitate to contact me during your process, be happy to assist any way we can.
      Ken & Josh

    • jhabproject says:

      Bill, How’s the project going?

  4. Bill Rosner says:

    Hi Ken/Josh.

    We kicked off and are getting ready to do the real work. Targeting an April 15th launch (just for the humor aspect of it). Although we aren’t married to the date. If we’re ready early then we’ll re-consider. Frankly, we have no idea how long this will take. But we have 18 people who wanted to be involved and we all agreed to wait until after the holidays to really get going so I would suspect the next couple weeks really won’t amount to much. How are things going for you guys?

    Side note: I’m moving on Feb 1st. I’ll be spitting distance from Shapell park. I guess it was meant to be. 🙂

  5. Sounds great Bill — keep us posted – and if you need any help, don’t hesitate to ask!

  6. acudworth says:

    Hi Guys,

    Great to see another HAB project across the pond going on! I’m doing a similar project over in the UK. Did my 2nd launch at the weekend and it went remarkably well.

    I’ve just updated my blog with a fair amount of data information (graphically represented) that may be of interest/help to you.

    Keep up with the great work! 🙂

  7. Hi there,

    Im from Edmonton Alberta, Canada, and we run a high altitude balloon program here that launches a a variety of scientific payloads, everything from particle detectors to atmospheric equipment. I just wanted to ask, because I can’t seem to see why, why exactly do you have that ring in-between the parachute and the payload? We use nothing similar to that. Is it for the parachute deployment, or what benefits does it provide?

    Thanks,

    Wyatt
    ISSET Students, University of Alberta

    • jhabproject says:

      Hi Wyatt, good to hear from Canada, and other HAB enthusiasts. We added a tensioner to reduce tangle, and increase the parachutes envelope. As a skydiver, I got the idea from my rig. I had read others who had problems after burst, not getting the parachute to cleaning deploy. To be honest, our next flight we want to point a camera up at the balloon and parachute to see if the ring assists or not. So far from our decent rates we have a good assumption it is working cleaning.

      If you have results from your flight, we’d like to read more about it.
      Thanks

  8. Todd Stowe says:

    Ken & Josh,

    There’s a forum online now if you’d care to join. The site is athttp://hab-ham.org/forum/

  9. Jim Snyder says:

    Hey guys,

    Great project and site. We’ve been looking for a good device that can record accurate high-altitude. You seem to have yours down to the foot. What device are you using? We can’t find anything that works remotely that high.

    Thanks!
    Jim
    the Boonville Space Program

    • Todd Stowe says:

      Use an APRS tracker. A ham radio transmitter connected to a GPS will give you latitude, longitude, speed, direction and altitude down to the foot. Several companies make them but I like Byonics. Look here: http://www.byonics.com/mt-rtg

      • Thanks, Todd. Do you just use this information to track in real-time, or do you actually log the data you are receiving? If so, what device do you use to record the data? I’m looking at the Byonics equipment, and not sure exactly what to get. I’m interested to know what your setup looks like.

        Thanks!
        Jim

  10. Thanks, Todd.

    I’m looking at the Byonics equipment but not exactly sure what to get. I need something that will log and record the data. The Byonics GPS 4 can get the altitude data we’re looking for, but doesn’t log it. I’m curious to know what your setup was for capturing altitude.

    Many thanks!
    Jim

    • Todd Stowe says:

      I have the MT-300. Unfortunately, they don’t offer that anymore. If I were to buy something now, it would be the RTG (http://www.byonics.com/mt-rtg).

      But they don’t log data. That’s not how they work. What happens is the transmitter sends out a position report (you set how often). The report is picked up by different stations (digipeaters). There are TONS of them all over the country. The digipeaters upload the report to http://aprs.fi. You just go to aprs.fi, put in your callsign and SSID and it pulls up all the data. You can then download it and do whatever you want with it. This way, even if you don’t get the payload back, you can still get the data.

      For example, go to aprs.fi. On the right you will see a field called “Track callsign”. Type in mine, which is KJ4RSG-11 and click search. It will pull up the data from my last flight. To get the raw data you would just click on the link for “Raw packets”. It won’t show the data now if you click on it because it only holds it for two days.

  11. Luiz says:

    Nice job!

    How did much this project?

    Thank you for sharing us.

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